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Roger Fajman <RAF@NIHCU> |
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Tue, 25 Jul 89 19:14:33 EDT |
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> >Couldn't this format be made to work with nodes that have no mailer as
> >well as with BSMTP-capable nodes?
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> Yes and no. No it can't, for the minority of nodes which don't have a
> full NJE implementation. Yes it is, for those nodes to which the VM
> mailer can successfully send a BSMTP-submitted file where the recipient's
> address doesn't appear in the RFC822 header. What I mean is, LISTSERV
> submits the mail to the MAILER, in BSMTP format, without RFC822
> indication of the destination. If the MAILER can deliver that, fine. If
> it can't, tough. I don't see what I can do to improve this: sites which
> run an RJE emulator and rely on the RFC822 header to know who's supposed
> to get the note aren't going to like an anonymous BSMTP header.
Not all nodes that don't have a full NJE implementation have a problem
with this. We have several that don't. It's just a matter of extracting
the important information from the NJE headers and passing it over the RJE
link along with the file. A node that looks inside of files that are sent
directly to users is going to have trouble with other things. Internet
mailing lists are one major example. NOTEs are another.
Anyway, your description of how it works suggests to me that it will
work for DEFRT nodes. That's how the INTERBIT gateways work for
Internet to BITNET mail (at least the one at CUNYVM anyway). One big
BSMTP file is sent to the mailer. It breaks it up and sends out files
as necessary, including individual files to users at DEFRT nodes.
> >Also, it would be useful if a node administrator could request this
> >feature for all users at his or her node.
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> And what if the users don't like it? I'm not going to even attempt to
> arbitrate fights between node admins and users. You can't just say it's
> their business and they should fight privately, the lawyers might be
> involved (like a NAD may not be able to decide for his users on an option
> which causes their name to appear/disappear from the headers of a note
> which might get sent to other people).
Node administrators decide lots of things for their users. It's part
of the job. This certainly seems within the node administrator's
purview since it affects network load. But if there's a concern, let
the node administrator establish a default that the users can change if
they really want to.
If a particular country's law has a bearing on the issue, it seems to
me to be up to the node administrator to obey the law. If you made the
default not to show any names, wouldn't that be most in keeping with
privacy laws? The node administrator would then need to be sure that
no law is being broken if he decides to change the default.
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