On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:18:18 -0500 Mark Hunnibell said:
>in accordance with the policies of that list.  If the policies of the list
>are they it cannot be used in this fashion (I postulate this should be
>implicit in any list unless otherwise stated), then you are wrong in
 
  Good luck telling a lawyer about this implicit and unstated policy, which
you don't enforce because you don't protect your subscribers.  Fat chance.
 
>about possible accomodations in case these IAF folks TRUELY mean to do
>right and become a legitimate and respected part of the Internet
>community.
 
  They already ARE.  They may or may not make it in the business world of
the net....but that is their problem, and doesn't make them a bad citizen.
 
>semi-compromise would be that each list owner whose list was raped would
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
  Gimme a break....this is rhetoric and BS....let's try to act like adults
instead of emotional children.
 
>It may very well be that these folks will become a valuable resource with
>reliable data, but they simply cannot do it by retrieving a bunch of
>lists, many of which contain subscriptions to gateways and all other kinds
 
  They've already done it.
 
>of special-use addresses, none of which were ever intended for direct
>e-mail, and doing this in a fly-by-night fashion.
 
   May not have been so intended, but if the listserv gets mail to them,
they'll work, won't they?
 
>Perhaps all LISTSERV lists should be created, out of the box, with CONCEAL
>as the default mode.  The WELCOME message would tell the subscriber to SET
>LISTNAME NOCONCEAL if they wanted their name to be public.
 
  Well, I'd instantly all change mine to noconceal....
Besides it doesn't come "out of the box" anyway....
 
>not IAF's.  I was not given any choice to mail anonymously.  If you have
>such a choice, I think it is due to the configuration of your WWW browser,
 
   Right.  Anyone who knows Netscape at all (as in a few million students)
know how to click on Netscape options to change that.
 
cheers
 
cyclops
 
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