Bon Matin, (And thanks to all of those that have already helped me on
other topics, you are *A GREAT BUNCH* of mail sleuths)
I am wondering if I hanfle those errort report correctly.
I change the default semi-auto-delete to Full-auto on Oct 15th so 48
hours ago... Now I am not clear if thos reports will be handle when the
4 days default are elapsed for the accounts that LISTSERV was
monitoring. Or if they are simply all the non-standard mailer errors
talked in the manual.
What boggles my mind is that even LISTSERV generate such errors, should
I understand that LISTSERV generates non-standard errors ? I know it
does not make sense so I am getting something wrong about that... But
what ?
And since I am bothering you with errors is it normal that
COMPUSERVE.COM users generates 2 message by problem or this is 'cuz they
have a weird mailer. The error notification generates and error itself
8-{
>>>>> begin sample 1
(I'll snip the text from the msgs that'll save a bit of bandwidth)
The enclosed message, found in the BLUES-L mailbox and shown under the
spool ID
0947 in the system log, has been identified as a possible delivery error
notice
for the following reason: "Sender:", "From:" or "Reply-To:" field
pointing to
the list has been found in mail body.
------------------------ Message in error (64 lines)
--------------------------
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7374; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:05:48 -0400
Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM
SMTP V2R2)
with TCP; Thu, 17 Oct 96 04:05:47 EDT
Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515)
id EAA03452; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:10:22 -0400
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:06:19 -0400
From: CompuServe_Mail <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Delivery report for message to [101725,2577]
To: Blues Music List <[log in to unmask]>
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: [log in to unmask]
Received: from listserv.brown.edu (listserv.brown.edu [128.148.128.155])
by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515)
id DAA23456; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:01:16 -0400
Received: from stanley.cis.Brown.EDU (stanley.cis.brown.edu
[128.148.128.155]) by listserv.brown.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id
CAA06399; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:47:09 -0400
Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LISTSERV release
1.8b)
with NJE id 0086 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 17 Oct
1996
02:41:16 -0400
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5865; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 02:41:16
-0400
Received: from powernet.kopower.com by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP
V2R2)
with TCP; Thu, 17 Oct 96 02:41:15 EDT
Received: from pm1-9.kopower.com by powernet.kopower.com using SMTP
(8.7.4/6.0s-CAM); id GAA07322; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:35:30 GMT
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 06:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: mojo <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Blues Music List <[log in to unmask]>
From: mojo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: generations
To: Multiple recipients of list BLUES-L <[log in to unmask]>
<<<<< end sample 1
>>>>> begin sample 2
The enclosed message, found in the BLUES-L mailbox and shown under the
spool ID
0945 in the system log, has been identified as a possible delivery error
notice
for the following reason: mail origin is listed in the "Filter=" list
header
keyword (or its default value for the BLUES-L list).
------------------------ Message in error (15 lines)
--------------------------
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7372; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:05:45 -0400
Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM
SMTP V2R2)
with TCP; Thu, 17 Oct 96 04:05:44 EDT
Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515)
id EAA18480; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:10:17 -0400
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:06:19 -0400
From: CompuServe_Mail <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Delivery report for message to [101725,2577]
To: Blues Music List <[log in to unmask]>
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Message "Re: generations", sent at 03:17 EDT on 17-Oct-96, could not be
delivered to [101725,2577] at 04:06 EDT on 17-Oct-96 because the
recipient
mailbox is full.
<<<<< end sample 1
Another pain in the "glueteus maximus" from Inforamp.net
I am also having 100s of bounces from messages dating from Agust 96
I tried contacting inforamp.net whitout any success. Can it be that they
setup and auto-forward for an address that soes not exists anymore.
Obviously the crso.blues-l @ does not exist in BLUES-L (If Query crso*@*
and it came up empty).
>>>>> begin sample 3
he enclosed mail file has been identified as a delivery error for list
BLUES-L because it was sent to the reserved 'owner-blues-l' mailbox.
------------------------------ Message in error
-------------------------------
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6825; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:33:37
-0400
Received: from diane.inforamp.net by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP
V2R2)
with TCP; Thu, 17 Oct 96 03:33:36 EDT
Received: from localhost (localhost) by diane.inforamp.net (8.7/8.7)
with
internal id DBN14191; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary="DBN14191.845537893/diane.inforamp.net"
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
This is a MIME-encapsulated message
--DBN14191.845537893/diane.inforamp.net
The original message was received at Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:18:11 -0400
(EDT)
from root@localhost
----- The following addresses have delivery notifications -----
<[log in to unmask]> (unrecoverable error)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 <[log in to unmask]>... User unknown
--DBN14191.845537893/diane.inforamp.net
Content-Type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: dns; diane.inforamp.net
Arrival-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:18:11 -0400 (EDT)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; [log in to unmask]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 03:38:13 -0400 (EDT)
--DBN14191.845537893/diane.inforamp.net
Content-Type: message/rfc822
return-path: <[log in to unmask]>
received: from mail.inforamp.net ([204.191.136.66]) by
diane.inforamp.net. (5.0/SMI-SVR4)
id AA01880; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:18:11 +0500
received: from listserv.brown.edu (listserv.brown.edu [128.148.128.155])
by mail.inforamp.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id JAA07959 for
<[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 09:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
received: from stanley.cis.Brown.EDU (stanley.cis.brown.edu
[128.148.128.155]) by listserv.brown.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id
IAA03297; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:56:33 -0400
received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LISTSERV release
1.8b)
with NJE id 2766 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 30 Aug
1996
08:51:51 -0400
received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8420; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:41:48
-0400
received: from relay6.UU.NET by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
with TCP;
Fri, 30 Aug 96 08:41:47 EDT
received: from pimaia1y.prodigy.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer
crosschecked as: pimaia1y.prodigy.com [198.83.18.97]) id
QQbezr16756;
Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:45:16 -0400 (EDT)
<<<<< end sample 3
And the there is the Iranian from Austria pphantom user. There again no
luck to get info on that and we have only one .AT subscriber on the
list.
Will I have to live bounces from the 12 to the 15 for 5 days each
messages at 100msg a day * 3 days worth * 5 days reporting = 1500
bounces errors ???
>>>>> begin sample 4
The enclosed mail file has been identified as a delivery error for list
BLUES-L because it was sent to the reserved 'owner-blues-l' mailbox.
------------------------------ Message in error
-------------------------------
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6631; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:55:14
-0400
Received: from AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT by BROWNVM.brown.edu
(IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 16 Oct 96 14:55:11 EDT
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 20:59:13 MEZ
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Undeliverable Mail
Attempting to deliver following mail to recipient(s):
<[log in to unmask]>
AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT unable to connect for 4 days to recipient
host.
Delivery will be attempted for a total of 5 days.
** Text of Mail follows **
Received: from AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT by AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT
(IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9579; Sat, 12 Oct 96 20:16:10 MEZ
Received: from AEARN.ACO.NET (NJE origin LISTSERV@AEARN) by
AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7415; Sat,
12 Oct 1996 20:16:08 +0100
Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LISTSERV release
1.8b)
with NJE id 1298 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 12 Oct
1996
14:11:04 -0400
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4907; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:11:04
-0400
Received: from sarah.ocs.lsumc.edu by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP
V2R2) with
TCP; Sat, 12 Oct 96 14:11:03 EDT
Received: from [155.58.112.120] by sarah.ocs.lsumc.edu (post.office MTA
v1.9.1
ID# 0-11395) with SMTP id AAA115; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:15:49
-0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Message-ID: <v02140b01ae85a0192b2e@[155.58.112.120]>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:21:35 -0600
Reply-To: Jim Bardsley <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Blues Music List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Jim Bardsley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: versions of Hideaway.
Comments: To: [log in to unmask]
To: Multiple recipients of list BLUES-L
<[log in to unmask]>
<<<<< end sample 4
And now a Turkish phantom. I contacted the postmaster at VM.EGE.EDU.TR
and he told me he add delete this user from all their list. But he is
*not* on mine. Again is that some obscure forwarding. How do I find out
? For the fun of it that one is 10 days... Does it means double the
precedent (Austro-Iranian) problem ?
>>>> begin sample 5
The enclosed mail file has been identified as a delivery error for list
BLUES-L because it was sent to the reserved 'owner-blues-l' mailbox.
------------------------------ Message in error
-------------------------------
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2492; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:41:01
-0400
Received: from vm.ege.edu.tr by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
with TCP;
Thu, 17 Oct 96 00:40:59 EDT
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 07:46:38 TUR
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Undeliverable Mail
Attempting to deliver following mail to recipient(s):
<[log in to unmask]>
vm.ege.edu.tr unable to connect for 7 days to recipient host.
Delivery will be attempted for a total of 10 days.
** Text of Mail follows **
Received: from VM.EGE.EDU.TR by vm.ege.edu.tr (IBM VM SMTP V2R2)
with BSMTP id 5909; Thu, 10 Oct 96 07:00:41 TUR
Received: from VM.GMD.DE (NJE origin MAILER@DEARN) by VM.EGE.EDU.TR
(LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5212; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 07:00:41 +0200
Received: from VM.GMD.DE (NJE origin LISTSERV@DEARN) by VM.GMD.DE (LMail
V1.2b/1.8b) with BSMTP id 1806; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:00:55 +0200
Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LISTSERV release
1.8b)
with NJE id 3272 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 9 Oct
1996
23:54:45 -0400
Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin SMTP@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
(LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2334; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:54:44 -0400
Received: from powernet.kopower.com by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP
V2R2)
with TCP; Wed, 09 Oct 96 23:54:43 EDT
Received: from pm1-29.kopower.com by powernet.kopower.com using SMTP
(8.7.4/6.0s-CAM); id DAA09861; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:49:39 GMT
X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified)
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: mojo <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Blues Music List <[log in to unmask]>
From: mojo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: cultural context question
To: Multiple recipients of list BLUES-L
<[log in to unmask]>
<<<<< end sample 5
And now a small comment. The quoting of all text is that because there
is no *sure* of identifying message body in non-standard mail ? The
traffic in my mail box went from 100-150K a day from BLUES-L to 3-5 MB a
day ! I use Netscape and used to compress once a week, now I *must*
compress (empty trash) twice a day ... You can imagine when a DIGEST
user bounces and is quoted for 10 days... And when 10 users bounce a
receive a 100 times the list "traffic". Same compounding for MAIL users:
Most posts are rather shoert (half a screen) so quoted with 2 screens of
headers it is 4 times the list traffic and for 10 bad addrees it is 40
times. Maths are a long way back in my memory, but isn't what they
called a Nth Complexity polynomial problem ?... So my Question is there
an option or a setup that lets a list-own trigger monitoring for a user
and only receive a short (line or Kb size limited) version of those
messages ? If Not, Is there plan to implement such scheme... I do
understand that this a shortfall from administering from a PC rather
than a "real computer" (IBM 4381,UNIX servers, oops DEC VMS systems too
;-).
If you read this far than a real profound and sincere thanks... I am
learning the ropes and swear to give back to the list what I recive from
it...
Thanks to you all (at least for the compassion you usually show even if
you cannot help)
--
Eric Paul-Hus , "bouncing all over the place" BLUES-L
|
