> Is there a WWW template for the main archive page?  The one that starts:
>
>      Search the archives
>      Post to the list
>      Join or leave the list (or change settings)
>      Manage the list (list owners only)
>
> I want to eliminate the "join or leave the list" option as this is causing
> all sorts of confusion with our closed list -- people can't figure out the
> interaction between the confirmation they do here, and getting list owner
> approval, and they resent all the extra steps it takes to do it this way.
>
> Alternatively, if filling out this form could simply email the list owners
> like an email Subscribe request does, without doing the extra
> confirmation, that would be great too.

If you have:  Subscription= Closed   in your list header ("closed list" as
you say), "join or leave the list" will not be displayed, so I must assume
you have something different.

What do you have for Subscription=  and  Validate=  ?