From: Mark Drake <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Is your computer being bugged????
To: Multiple recipients of list LSTSRV-L <[log in to unmask]>
 
>I was about to deal with the enclosed message when I discovered the
>last two paragraphs.  Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
>This is a particularly obnoxious posting, and what's worse, from what
>I can see in the headers, this was *not* sent via the newsgroup, but
>came by their subscribing, sending, then unsubscribing (since
>[log in to unmask] is not currently subscribed to the list).
>
 
One of my listmembers works across the street from the guy who sent the
spam.  He decided to go talk to him over lunch.  I have included his
comments below for those who are interested.
 
Mark Drake
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--- begin forwarded text
 
Dear all:
 
Well, I have just returned from the Taft Building across the street, where
"HLD Publishing" resides.
 
 
***Thanks, that's easy to look up through the California state articles of
incorporation***
 
 
Actually, it's a guy named Hector. He doesn't even have his business name
on the door, I think he sub-lets an office.  He's not too tall, probably
only 5'5", is coming up soon on 50 years old.
 
 
***I can just smell him from here.***
 
 
He considers himself a "pioneer".  One of the things he told me was, "They
didn't like the commercials when radio first came out."  He just figures
flames and angry people are part of the cost of doing business.  He claims
to already have gotten lots of orders, "from universities, and others."
What exactly, "a lot" is, I don't really know.
 
He was self-effacing in manner, probably because I'm bigger than him!  But, he
sees nothing wrong with what he is doing, and thinks of himself as "doing
something new."  We discussed why people disliked spams, and how they are
similar to FAX advertising.  He thinks that FAX ads are, or should be illegal,
but failed to make the connection about why e-mail spams are just as bad.  He
also was not aware that the bit.listserv.* hierarchy was really mailing lists
mirrored to Usenet.  (Seems that for someone who can do some of the other things
he did, that he ought to know that!)  He was surprised to find that I received
his ad via e-mail.
 
 
*** Perhaps you should distinguish email from other types of advertisments in
that, for me personally (and others I'm sure), I PAY FOR THE EMAIL STORAGE TIME
(Compuserve).  The more mail which sits in my inbox, the more it costs me!!!!
Is that fat little fucker going to reimburse me for the costs he has
unilaterally assessed to me!?  I fucking doubt it!!!***
 
 
In addition, his "disclaimer" at the end is a hoax, he has no power to
enforce his $95.00 fee either for removal from his "list" (which he isn't
going to do anyway) or for cancelling his posts.  He's just trying to "beat the
'bots"
 
BTW, he claims that the ways he beat the moderation was just to put
"approved" on it himself.
 
He also changes the path, as well as the account name.
 
Caveat Spammor!
 
 
 
***This shit infuriates me.  The internet has made everyone a publisher, but
it's also made anyone an advertiser.  ***
 
 
 
Lou Schwing                          La Crescenta Presbyterian Church:
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"Nuclear War would really set back cable."
                       - - Ted Turner
 
--- end forwarded text
 
 
 
Mark
 
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