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Eric Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
Mon, 9 Sep 1991 18:30:45 +0200
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Apply fix 17A-001o (HIPER), dated 91-07-10
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I know, I know, fixes are a waste of  your time and I only make them so I
can have an excuse to fill your  mailbox with junk mail. Here the problem
is that RICEVM2  was deleted in VERS9109. The Rice  folks had informed me
in advance of the  removal of the LISTSERV on that  machine, so I updated
PEERS  NAMES and  distributed it.  Apparently, the  update did  not reach
everyone, which is  no surprise since the DISTRIBUTE  backbone is totally
screwed up. We  have sites with a broken REXX  interpreter (the only part
of CMS that was  bug-free, and IBM had to break it),  and won't apply the
fix because it would force them  to apply 2,000 unrelated fixes (courtesy
of SES and OCO), so we simply have  to accept the fact that, from time to
time, the REXX interpreter crashes and files are lost. I can't even blame
the poor chaps, I've been there myself,  and I can't expect every site to
have BITNET as a high-priority item.
 
Then we  have sites that didn't  bother to increase the  size of LISTSERV
191 to  allow 1.7a to load,  but who did  bother to fetch the  new format
BITEARN NODES  file and  install it.  Well I'm afraid  the main  reason I
wasted so much time  making an 1.7a is that 1.6e  doesn't support the new
format, so DISTRIBUTE takes another hit.
 
Then you  have the  bug in  CMS 5.5 that  causes LISTSERV  to run  out of
storage, because the only way  to sort things with acceptable performance
under  (vanilla) CMS  is to  use the  system editor,  and a  bug in  some
terminal I/O routine caused it to forget to deallocate storage every time
it  is called.  Users  are  not affected  in  practice,  but things  like
LISTSERV which call it hundreds of times a day end up with no storage.
 
Then, of course, after 3-4 years of  planning, EARN and the NIC made very
sure not to announce  the migration to the new format  until after it had
taken place, and then  only because I asked Ulrich and  Jim Conklin to do
so  (actually, I  doubt Jim  has  seen my  note yet).  So people  happily
obtained VERS9109  from NETSERV and  proceeded to run  UPDNODES, possibly
via  an automated  procedure.  End  result: some  12,000  lines of  error
messages, an error return code, but since none of the errors is fatal you
do get an  output file (totally unusable, of course).  Well the procedure
prints an  error message and exits,  leaving an updated BITEARN  NODES on
the public disk.  LISTSERV sees BITEARN NODES has  been changed, rebuilds
its tables from this corrupted version, and there goes another DISTRIBUTE
site. I guess some people thought  it intuitively obvious that one has to
FTP a new copy of the base file from BITNIC (or another place) before one
can run VERS9109. I also guess it would  have been too hard to make a new
version  of UPDNODES  that checks  for the  new format  and require  that
version in VERS9109,  to ensure nothing wrong happens to  the file. Or to
make sure  that the XMAILER NAMES  file would be generated  properly - in
advance. But  then, with only  3-4 years  of advance planning,  you can't
possibly expect a smooth transition.
 
  Eric

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