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"A.Omer Koker" <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:23:43 -0800
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In addition to my professional roles I also help maintain couple of large
non-profit organization mailing lists.  I hate spam, I don’t do spam and I
have been on the AOL whitelist for almost 2 years and since then have had
very good relations with the postmaster team.   

However if this 'goodmail' deal does actually get implemented I will
actively NOT ACCEPT AOL subscription and furthermore send out an
announcement through our electronic and physical mailing to suggest our
members to dump AOL service all together.

I have aprox 45,000 people on my lists and reach close to 200,000 people.  I
don’t know if I can neither afford to or even if I could afford would want
to accept such one sided action to partition the open internet into taxed
segments. 

AOL is no longer able to ride shotgun based purely on its closed off content
offerings as it did 10 years ago, I believe if enough parties decide to
ignore and stop servicing AOL boxes, instead of them segmenting the internet
we can effectively retire them and/or this decision...  

While certified email servers and spam filters are good tools to use in a
war against spam what is suggested in the 'aol-goodmail' deal, pretty much
an email tax, is unfortuantely arrogant and potentially an ill-concieved
plan to create an additional revenue stream from spam instead of working
towards providing a better service for their users.

Sincerely,


A. Ömer Köker          			            
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'Execution is the missing link between aspirations and results' 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: LISTSERV site administrators' forum 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:54 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: AOL-Goodmail deal: Good Mail or "Goodfellas"?
> 
> L-Soft has  joined the growing  number of companies that  
> protest against AOL's recent announcement  that it will phase 
> out  its Enhanced Whitelist service in June in favour of 
> Goodmail CertifiedEmail, which carries an as yet unspecified 
> per-message fee. In a nutshell, companies like L-Soft get on 
> the AOL whitelist by following good e-mail practices, such as 
> cleaning up dead addresses, making it easy  for people to 
> leave mailing lists, and of course not  sending any spam. 
> This  is all going to be  thrown out the window and replaced 
> with the payment of hard currency to Goodmail. People who can 
> afford  to pay this fee  will have the privilege  of reaching 
> AOL subscribers, others  will end up  in junk  folders. Yahoo 
> is  expected to follow down the same path.
> 
> I have nothing  against certification as an additional tool  
> in the fight against spam. Knowing that message such and such 
> genuinely comes from its purported sender  can help improve  
> the accuracy  of your spam  filter. I also understand that  
> certification costs money, unless  sponsored by the 
> government or by volunteers donating their time to the cause. 
> But I think per-message  certification  fees make  as  much  
> sense as  per-click  SSL certificate fees.  I also find that  
> the "rumoured" rates that  have been mentioned in  some of 
> the  press articles  are totally out  of proportion with the 
> service being provided. The  fee is several times what 
> providers currently charge  for the service  of hosting the 
> mailing  list, removing dead addresses, making backups, etc.  
> As an illustration, a typical hobby list would cost  on the 
> order of  $500-1000 a year. An  active list could cost $10k  
> or more  a year. This  may not be  much for  the 
> advertisement manager of a large company, not  when compared 
> to print adverts, but what about the rest  of us? I know 
> L-Soft hosting  customers cannot afford the price increase 
> that would be necessary  to cover an identification fee of 
> five figures PER DAY.
> 
> And for many of us, this identification  fee is not even an 
> option. To be eligible for Goodmail accreditation, you must 
> "have business headquarters located in the United States or  
> Canada." Foreigners need not bother. You must also "have at 
> least a 6 month mailing history from [the] IP" address from 
> which you are sending your  newsletter. This of course makes 
> it very difficult to switch  ISPs if you are  not satisfied 
> with the  one you are using. A new ISP means a new  IP 
> address, and Goodmail will then shut you down for "at least 6 
> months." A nice 'protection' plan for the ISP, but a disaster 
> for customers.
> 
> Anyway, here is a link to our  full press release, which has 
> been sent to major  publications today.  And  I  want to  
> salute  the  courage of  the executives at hosting-only  
> companies that have spoken  up and protested, knowing full  
> well that  they would  go out  of business  in a  matter of 
> months were  their access  to AOL and  Yahoo mailboxes to  be 
> cut  off in retaliation. In  the post-Enron  era, this kind  
> of corporate  courage is very rare  indeed. I stand  on much 
> firmer ground,  as hosting is  only a side activity  at 
> L-Soft,  but I  can still imagine  what must  have gone 
> through their mind before they hit the send button.
> 
> http://www.lsoft.com/news/aol-goodmail.asp
> 
>   Eric
> 

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