On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Valdis Kletnieks wrote:
> Have you checked the Listserv log to see if there's a message in there?
>
> I've seen several cases where a user posts in HTML, but they are behind a
> fascist nuke-the-HTML gateway. As a result, what actually happens is that
> when it gets to Listserv, there's no body left, and Listserv bounces it with
> a "distribution of empty messages not allowed" error...
>
> Or maybe said fascist gateway is totally stomping the mail....
>
Well, the body of the messages are distributed to the list, minus attachments,
like they were never included. It's not always happening, definately it is
intermittent or sporadic, but seems to happen more often when things are sent
with Outlook Express 5.5 than any other version of Outlook or Outlook Express
(don't ask me why in the world are people still using express 5.5, I ask myself
the same question).
And I've noticed something similar to what you mention, Valdis. Sometimes
people send commands to the listserv address and they come back as "command not
found in body". I've done this myself many times, the only problem is, I'm not
behind a firewall or gateway! Here's a sample from earlier, I sent an HTML
command in and CC'd myself. First is the copy CC's to me in raw format
w/headers:
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Delivered-To: [log in to unmask]
Received: (qmail 23786 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:32 -0000
Received: from mailscan2.acsu.buffalo.edu (HELO localhost.localdomain)
(128.205.6.134) by mail1 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:34:32 -0000
Received: (mailscan2 scanner-smtpd 1.35 1.8 1.15); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31
-0000 Received: (qmail 5277 invoked by uid 10227); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31
-0000 Delivered-To: [log in to unmask]
Received: (qmail 5265 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: from smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.86)
by front.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: (qmail 15428 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: from starscream.cit.buffalo.edu (HELO starscream) (128.205.3.30)
by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
From: "jrs1" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Cc: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:35:02 -0500
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41735.BC15D730"
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: mailhub.acsu.buffalo.edu 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41735.BC15D730
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
show points
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41735.BC15D730
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>show points</FONT></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C41735.BC15D730--
Now the reply back from listserv in raw format:
--cQJRDcSSaZVSGFSEGHdBFKUWRaWDXO
Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because no command was
found
in the message body. LISTSERV expects commands in the body of the
message,
rather than in the message subject, because some users have no control over
the
contents of the "Subject:" field on outgoing messages.
--cQJRDcSSaZVSGFSEGHdBFKUWRaWDXO
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Received: (qmail 2162 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: from smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.86)
by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: (qmail 15428 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
Received: from starscream.cit.buffalo.edu (HELO starscream) (128.205.3.30)
by smtp3.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 20:34:31 -0000
From: "jrs1" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Cc: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:35:02 -0500
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
--cQJRDcSSaZVSGFSEGHdBFKUWRaWDXO--
That particular message came from Outlook 2000. I cannot get listserv
to read any listserv commands in HTML format from Outlook 2000. It does
seem to work *most* of the time from the other various versions of Outlook
and Outlook Express in HTML format, including the aforementioned Express 5.5.
And that's about all I know so far. I guess my next step would be to
download some additional email clients and use those to compose some more
HTML formatted email and test those out. Hopefully then I'll be able to
tell at least if it's a problem that only happens MS products. They get
enough bad press as it is I just didn't want to assume it's their fault.
I was really hoping it would be just a minor configuration issue on listserv.
By the way, the MTA we use is qmail. If anyone can think of anything else for
me to try, let me know. If you've actually read this far, then thanks for
at least taking the time to read about my unsolved problem.
-Jim
--
Jim Serwinowski [log in to unmask]
UB Listserv Administrator http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
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